Curse

capitalist · Sep 24, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Running anti- signet of might was fun as well... ignorance/sig of humility ftw.

Bane of Worlds · Sep 24, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

well a rank reset for those gained through the abuse of this bug should be fair.

Phaern Majes · Sep 24, 2006, 09:49 PM // 21:49

I think they should just reset the ladder, but to ban guilds for this is abit harsh. Especially because you'd have to determine who knowingly abused it and who just happened to use the signet thinking it worked the the way it was supposed to. And really you can't prove much there.

Former Ruling · Sep 24, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Bane of Worlds

well a rank reset for those gained through the abuse of this bug should be fair.

How would change the rank of only the abusers without screwing over some team that didnt abuse it to get their rank?

Overnite · Sep 24, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

The only thing they can do about the abusers is rolling the game back till before the preview event, which they won't do of course. Banning abusers is also not possible since it will cause the amount of whining and crying, unpreceeded in Guild Wars history, given the scale of abuse. So they won't do nothing about it, SRY.

Kook~NBK~ · Sep 24, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Dear A-net,

Thank you for your prompt action in regards to the signet of might bug.

Due to the unexpected bugs that can pop up during the initial release and testing game-wide of newly introduced skills, I ask that you seriously consider locking the Ladder during the first few days, maybe up to a week, after any new skills are introduced.

I don't feel it's necessary to lock the ladder after established skills are nerfed/buffed. But if a new skill is bugged, even a few hours of GvG battles will throw the Ladder out of whack - or call into question the valididty of the standings at the very least. I think locking the ladder would be an equitable solution to the problem.

Tremere · Sep 24, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Overnite

The only thing they can do about the abusers is rolling the game back till before the preview event, which they won't do of course. Banning abusers is also not possible since it will cause the amount of whining and crying, unpreceeded in Guild Wars history, given the scale of abuse. So they won't do nothing about it, SRY.

Exactly. There is very little that can realistically be done *after* this sort of thing has already taken place. So it just sort of comes down to the origonally, really goddamn obvious course of action : FREEZE THE £$!&'ING LADDER BEFORE EVENT'S.

Seriously, I want to know WHY this isn't STANDARD PROCEDURE. Now. FFS.

Epinephrine · Sep 24, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Alpha testers can't find everything, the population is pretty small.

Henchman · Sep 24, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

No need to do a full rollback, reverting the guild ladder should be enough.
And this exploit is also used in RA and TA.

Solar_Takfar · Sep 24, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Tremere

Exactly. There is very little that can realistically be done *after* this sort of thing has already taken place. So it just sort of comes down to the origonally, really goddamn obvious course of action : FREEZE THE £$!&'ING LADDER BEFORE EVENT'S.

That might help, but still, smart abusers will just refrain from using or talking about the abuse and then unleash it when the ladder gets unlocked... what Anet needs to do is to hire a larger team of testers, preferrably GW pro-level players.

Not that any of this affects me, anyway; I basically just play PvE and the occasional RA/Fort Aspen...

Tainek · Sep 24, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

The guild which streamlined the glitch is now at Rank 2. GG ArenaNet.

and now the exploit is fixed, how long are they going to stay there? they'l be eaten alive, so in a weeks time, its not an issue

much ado over no real biggie

Gaile Gray · Sep 24, 2006, 10:47 PM // 22:47

I am quite sure we won't go a "game rollback." There may be other means at our disposal, but a full rollback of every account in the game is a bit over the top.

If anyone has reports of guilds who abused this bug, please PM me. I know of the one, mentioned just above. ^

Tremere · Sep 24, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I am quite sure we won't go a "game rollback." There may be other means at our disposal, but a full rollback of every account in the game is a bit over the top.

If anyone has reports of guilds who abused this bug, please PM me. I know of the one, mentioned just above. ^

What about the issue of freezing the ladder, Miss Gray?

Nightsear · Sep 24, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Acknowledge and move on.

arkadiusz · Sep 24, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Tremere

What about the issue of freezing the ladder, Miss Gray?

won't happen. would deprive anet of several thousand beta testers who wouldn't bother playing with frozen ladder.

Tremere · Sep 24, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by arkadiusz

won't happen. would deprive anet of several thousand beta testers who wouldn't bother playing with frozen ladder.

Well, then I guess everyone loses. Nice...

Except ANet. Why am I not surprised... I mean, it wouldn't be hard to test these skill's in various situation's in-house, and I'd find it hard to believe otherwise.

And maybe if freezing the ladder wouldn't work, they could halve all gains from ladder play during "abuse vulnerable" periods, i.e. during and shortly after preview event's or new campaign launches.

XvArchonvX · Sep 24, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

I carry a lot of respect for Gaile, but I'm not sure why guilds should be punished for a mistake A-net made.

I see it this way: A-net makes the game and the rules. If the rules are unfair, it's the fault of A-net, not the player who is simply taking advantage of the abilities at his/her disposal.

Zinger314 · Sep 25, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

I carry a lot of respect for Gaile, but I'm not sure why guilds should be punished for a mistake A-net made.

Yes, because the guilds were forced to use Signet of Might in that manner.

XvArchonvX · Sep 25, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Signet of Midnight is not the only skill that ever worked differently than the description states. There are still skills that exist that don't behave as the descrition states (ex: Draw Spirit http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Draw_Spirit), but I don't see why A-net should start punishing people for using these skills now just because their mistake caused an imbalance they didn't anticipate.

I didn't really mind when the preview event was delayed and I really haven't minded when A-net goofed on other little things in the past, but I will really be dissapointed in them if they follow through in punishing guilds for their mistake. =/

GODh · Sep 25, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Morgoth the dark

how the hell can u be a cheater while just runing the normal builds? Did they used any programs so they were able to cheat?
wtf dude

Sorry for the confusion, but i do play more games than just GW. many of those games run antcheats software like punkbuster. And everytime someone get catch they have excuses like "dont ban me, i just did it for fun and a laugh"... and then i just press the "permanent ban" button extra hard

But in my book (i am 100% anticheat) abusing bugs/exploits is a cheat too...